but i think you need to get your facts straight about Kerry. I doubt he's worked for anything he's had.
He's a Yale Skull and Bones richie kid just like Bush.[/quote]
the main difference is that Kerry was brought up to work as a team and Bush tries to be the lone cowboy.
history will tell the sick truth of the Bush family
there are too many connections with the name Bush and Bin Laden.
if you think the Enron scandal was bad wait until the truth comes out about the Bush family and all their questionable business ventures with known terrorist countries like Saudi Arabia.
Bush or Kerry?
Come on people, if you are going to have an opinion on this subject, first educate yourselves. I wonder what Jay's view would be? If you don't understand the nature of the beast, then let's use some common sense. Politics is a dirty business, but if you don't like it than try to do something about it. Money is a big part of it and that's why Republicans have control right now. To compete, you need to advertise just like them to get your message out. The only way to defeat money is through grass roots, and I'm sure you know, Americans only do what they have to. You need to vote (especially if you are in a very close electoral state) - for Kerry, if you didn't already know. Tell your friends to vote for Kerry and buy his bumper sticker, volunteer, and donate. Bush has alot of corporate friends who he surely appreciates. And it does matter! We wouldn't be in a war in Iraq right know - with hundreds dead and more with no arms and legs - we wouldn't be putting ourselves in continuous debt and using our social security money to give millionaires & corporations tax breaks. Our environment is continually being denegrated with no money to fix it. Instead of a medicare bill aimed to lower prescription drug prices, we're borrowing money to give hmo's and pharmaceuticals money so they can make more money - yes it will reduce some of the burden on seniors in 2006, but the problem is that prices are continually going up and there is no end. Tuition is getting higher and higher and our jobs are going overseas. Are you telling me that it doesn't matter or both parties are the same. If Al Gore was president today - we would be in surpluses trying to figure out how to fix social security, not trying to eliminate it. We would be enacting a healthcare plan, especially for poor children - unless the Republican Congress axed that plan (which probably they would). Education, higher education, and job training would be a high priority, and catching Osama would be the highest priority - not starting a war of choice. Now you tell me it doesn't matter or you actually want to see 4 more years of that. Get off your ___ and do something about it. That's the American way.
Building a consensus is very difficult. We live in a Democracy and blame is always shifted, but if you learn each parties ideology, you will understand a little more what their plan is for our country- although you cannot get it done without a majority opinion. We live in a very diverse country with differing interests - its difficult to get things accomplished when one party believes in a Darwinistic view of the world with a class structure divided by the halves - and halve-nots, and the other believes in working side by side, wanting and believing that everyone can succeed - now which sounds like values that are more moral ? You southerners who preach and pray values and go to church every Sunday praying to God - without acting on them disgust me. Now what philosophy do you think God would favor? Now if you come back to me on issues like abortion - then you are not thinking the issue completely and clearly. Who are the woman who have to predominantly make this choice? Usually young poor minority woman who have little choice. Rich, white woman usually have a family to support them. And where are the Republicans when they decide to keep the baby, probably at the church or in the bank counting how much money they have, and how unwilling they are to give it up. Thanks for your time. And by the way, discussing and debating any issue is what is needed in a democracy.
Building a consensus is very difficult. We live in a Democracy and blame is always shifted, but if you learn each parties ideology, you will understand a little more what their plan is for our country- although you cannot get it done without a majority opinion. We live in a very diverse country with differing interests - its difficult to get things accomplished when one party believes in a Darwinistic view of the world with a class structure divided by the halves - and halve-nots, and the other believes in working side by side, wanting and believing that everyone can succeed - now which sounds like values that are more moral ? You southerners who preach and pray values and go to church every Sunday praying to God - without acting on them disgust me. Now what philosophy do you think God would favor? Now if you come back to me on issues like abortion - then you are not thinking the issue completely and clearly. Who are the woman who have to predominantly make this choice? Usually young poor minority woman who have little choice. Rich, white woman usually have a family to support them. And where are the Republicans when they decide to keep the baby, probably at the church or in the bank counting how much money they have, and how unwilling they are to give it up. Thanks for your time. And by the way, discussing and debating any issue is what is needed in a democracy.
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I don't take political advice from musicians...
but i think you need to get your facts straight about Kerry. I doubt he's worked for anything he's had.
He's a Yale Skull and Bones richie kid just like Bush.\\
No, not really.
1966-1970
United States Navy
Volunteered for duty in Vietnam where he earned three Purple Hearts, the Silver Star and the Bronze Star.
1976-1979
Prosecutor, Middlesex County
Took on organized crime and put behind bars the “number two organized crime figure in New England." He fought for victims' rights and created programs for rape counseling.
1983-1985
Lieutenant Governor
Organized the nation's Governors to combat the acid rain that was polluting lakes, rivers, and the nation's water supply.
1985-present
U.S. Senator
Championed economic opportunity, fiscal responsibility and a strong foreign policy for America.
John Kerry has a 90% + rating from the League of Conservation Voters, which means he has a masterful record on the environment. He has saved lives, both in the private sector and during the Vietnam war.
He is the real deal.
Both Bush and Kerry were priveledged in attending an Ivy League school. One man chose a path of hard work and service........
I don't take political advice from musicians...
but i think you need to get your facts straight about Kerry. I doubt he's worked for anything he's had.
He's a Yale Skull and Bones richie kid just like Bush.\\
No, not really.
1966-1970
United States Navy
Volunteered for duty in Vietnam where he earned three Purple Hearts, the Silver Star and the Bronze Star.
1976-1979
Prosecutor, Middlesex County
Took on organized crime and put behind bars the “number two organized crime figure in New England." He fought for victims' rights and created programs for rape counseling.
1983-1985
Lieutenant Governor
Organized the nation's Governors to combat the acid rain that was polluting lakes, rivers, and the nation's water supply.
1985-present
U.S. Senator
Championed economic opportunity, fiscal responsibility and a strong foreign policy for America.
John Kerry has a 90% + rating from the League of Conservation Voters, which means he has a masterful record on the environment. He has saved lives, both in the private sector and during the Vietnam war.
He is the real deal.
Both Bush and Kerry were priveledged in attending an Ivy League school. One man chose a path of hard work and service........
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To all those people who defend Bush because he'll protect our freedoms, I have this to say:
The Republican party line, stereotypically, says "less government, more rights for the people" (although it should be noted that that doesn't include people like homosexuals and non-citizens, but that's a different issue).
There are many things in the Republican party line that I think are fantastic, that small government ideology in particular. Anybody who thinks Bush does what the party line says it an idiot. In the first month in office, Bush DOUBLED federal spending. DOUBLED!!! That doesn't sound like "less government" to me. Then there's the patriot act...Bush is a republican in name only, otherwise he's just a complete idiot who embodies all the BAD things about socialist democrats (more spending, more rules, less freedoms) and all the BAD things about elitist right-wingers (treating homosexuals and non-citizens like the scum of the earth, relying on the bible too much for decisions, lax environmental policy).
There is no single party that shows my beliefs...I like what the libertarians have to say the most, but I also like a lot of what democrats have to say, and the green party, and I like a lot of what the Republican party line stands for (but modern republicans are just socialists with an "R" after their name, so it doesn't matter.)
Basically, I think the US is doomed to failure in a relatively short period of time, and I really want to vote third party, but the fact of the matter is that the US elections are structured ("rigged" may even be an appropriate word) such that only democrats or republicans will ever win, so it's pointless to vote third party. It's a huge problem, because the Ds and Rs are driving this country into the ground, and when the US goes, the world goes with it, and it will be chaos. I fear the worst but hope for the best...but the fact of the matter is that America is simply not sustainable in its current state, and needs a real top-to-bottom governmental shakedown with a refocus on the power of the constitution (one of the greatest documents ever written).
The Republican party line, stereotypically, says "less government, more rights for the people" (although it should be noted that that doesn't include people like homosexuals and non-citizens, but that's a different issue).
There are many things in the Republican party line that I think are fantastic, that small government ideology in particular. Anybody who thinks Bush does what the party line says it an idiot. In the first month in office, Bush DOUBLED federal spending. DOUBLED!!! That doesn't sound like "less government" to me. Then there's the patriot act...Bush is a republican in name only, otherwise he's just a complete idiot who embodies all the BAD things about socialist democrats (more spending, more rules, less freedoms) and all the BAD things about elitist right-wingers (treating homosexuals and non-citizens like the scum of the earth, relying on the bible too much for decisions, lax environmental policy).
There is no single party that shows my beliefs...I like what the libertarians have to say the most, but I also like a lot of what democrats have to say, and the green party, and I like a lot of what the Republican party line stands for (but modern republicans are just socialists with an "R" after their name, so it doesn't matter.)
Basically, I think the US is doomed to failure in a relatively short period of time, and I really want to vote third party, but the fact of the matter is that the US elections are structured ("rigged" may even be an appropriate word) such that only democrats or republicans will ever win, so it's pointless to vote third party. It's a huge problem, because the Ds and Rs are driving this country into the ground, and when the US goes, the world goes with it, and it will be chaos. I fear the worst but hope for the best...but the fact of the matter is that America is simply not sustainable in its current state, and needs a real top-to-bottom governmental shakedown with a refocus on the power of the constitution (one of the greatest documents ever written).
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professor_squishy
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Re: For hot burrito?
This is why we should do away with the electoral college system - base the election on the popular vote, so that everybody's vote counts the same no matter where you live. It would pull the teeth out of a whole lot of this local political game-playing.mzkmm wrote:"ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL." This old saying has certainly come true for me. I used to pride myself on being somewhat independent but have recently retreated to desperately, blindly voting straight Republican to combat the longstanding nepotism, cronyism and corruption that pervades my state. Politics weaves such a tangled web: It seems that unless the Roads and Bridges guy is amenable to working with the County Dog Catcher, the road to the pound is not going to be maintained! Lone Republicans get badgered and stone-walled. So I've descended to pulling one lever. But don't worry, my vote will not have any effect on anything. A ghetto town some 20 miles (and two towns!) away from me delivers a block vote for the Democrats (using my tax money) and completely nullfies my vote!. A "gerrymandered" electoral district puts out a long finger to include my neighborhood! The overall map probably looks like an octopus, so lots of people are being nullified. The Democrats own the judges so there is no use taking the map to court. Historically, Democrat cooperation with unions and the mob damaged business and industry locally, now their cooperation with the trial lawyers and judges is damaging medical and health services. Recently, I have actually been jealous of the Iraqi citizenry being in the position of setting up a democracy from the ground up. Maybe they can set up the machinery to prevent the situation that has occurred in my area.
But, enough of this political crap... I'm with Hank Snow... let's all go listen to some Jay or something else good! Hey, by the way, I just picked up My Morning Jacket - "At Dawn".... I'm sure they've been mentioned on the board before, but I'm really loving that CD.
For hot burrito?
"ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL." This old saying has certainly come true for me. I used to pride myself on being somewhat independent but have recently retreated to desperately, blindly voting straight Republican to combat the longstanding nepotism, cronyism and corruption that pervades my state. Politics weaves such a tangled web: It seems that unless the Roads and Bridges guy is amenable to working with the County Dog Catcher, the road to the pound is not going to be maintained! Lone Republicans get badgered and stone-walled. So I've descended to pulling one lever. But don't worry, my vote will not have any effect on anything. A ghetto town some 20 miles (and two towns!) away from me delivers a block vote for the Democrats (using my tax money) and completely nullfies my vote!. A "gerrymandered" electoral district puts out a long finger to include my neighborhood! The overall map probably looks like an octopus, so lots of people are being nullified. The Democrats own the judges so there is no use taking the map to court. Historically, Democrat cooperation with unions and the mob damaged business and industry locally, now their cooperation with the trial lawyers and judges is damaging medical and health services. Recently, I have actually been jealous of the Iraqi citizenry being in the position of setting up a democracy from the ground up. Maybe they can set up the machinery to prevent the situation that has occurred in my area.
Opinions and Assholes
Maybe it is just me but didn't we just have this exact same thread of postings a few weeks ago, almost word for word? Bush vs Kerry? I think that string concluded with someone saying "Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one".
Of course some assholes are better than others. ha ha. just kidding. We just seem to be caught in a loop. I have found in my years and travels that you simply do not change anyones opinions on politics or religion, so it is futile to discuss those things unless you just like to argue.
One opinion we all seem to agree on on this board, is that Jay Farrar is quite the guitar player and singer and has some beautiful songs.
Who cares about the fate of the free world, when I can just sit down and listen to a work of art like Straightaways (as I am doing now)????
Jay rules.
Of course some assholes are better than others. ha ha. just kidding. We just seem to be caught in a loop. I have found in my years and travels that you simply do not change anyones opinions on politics or religion, so it is futile to discuss those things unless you just like to argue.
One opinion we all seem to agree on on this board, is that Jay Farrar is quite the guitar player and singer and has some beautiful songs.
Who cares about the fate of the free world, when I can just sit down and listen to a work of art like Straightaways (as I am doing now)????
Jay rules.
montana wrote:Kerry has a great record on the environment, is a decorated war hero, doesn;t hear "god" in his head when he makes decisions, is a sportsmen (hunts and fishes), and is a decent good man who actually hard to work in his lifetime.
GWB is a spoiled, baby brat and his cronies are taking away americ'as freedoms. His record of selling out to the highest bidder no matter what the category is appaling.
Jay Farrar knows, and so should you.
I don't take political advice from musicians...
but i think you need to get your facts straight about Kerry. I doubt he's worked for anything he's had.
He's a Yale Skull and Bones richie kid just like Bush.
Kerry has a great record on the environment, is a decorated war hero, doesn;t hear "god" in his head when he makes decisions, is a sportsmen (hunts and fishes), and is a decent good man who actually hard to work in his lifetime.
GWB is a spoiled, baby brat and his cronies are taking away americ'as freedoms. His record of selling out to the highest bidder no matter what the category is appaling.
Jay Farrar knows, and so should you.
GWB is a spoiled, baby brat and his cronies are taking away americ'as freedoms. His record of selling out to the highest bidder no matter what the category is appaling.
Jay Farrar knows, and so should you.
Yeah, what do college professors know? I can see how the thoughts of a failed Texas oil-leaguer demand much more consideration. It amazes me how little education and knowledge are valued in our country. Facing my youthful naivite that knowledge is power is becoming more and more difficult as I grow older.
Let the coke-head frat-boy leader of the free world systematically override all of our good sense and reason with mind-numbing rhetoric until he eliminates all of those "bastards over there". Because you know they're all the same.
Anyway, as much as I want to support Nader and what he stands for, I'm beginning to feel that we need to do everything in our power to vote this greedy, evangelical bigot out of office directly, and that means voting for Kerry.
Let the coke-head frat-boy leader of the free world systematically override all of our good sense and reason with mind-numbing rhetoric until he eliminates all of those "bastards over there". Because you know they're all the same.
Anyway, as much as I want to support Nader and what he stands for, I'm beginning to feel that we need to do everything in our power to vote this greedy, evangelical bigot out of office directly, and that means voting for Kerry.
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hot burrito
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Hanging Blue Side
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Bush or Kerry
You folks are all young and have not lived long enough , Bush and Ashcroft are trying to protect your freedoms , liberals try to take them away. You have to stop listening to your college professors. Kerry stands for nothing , if there were three sides to an issue he would have them all. I will never forget those planes flying into buildings , it may take years but lets keep after all those bastards over there and eliminate them. Enough on that I am voting for Bush.